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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning i'm carol costello. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. darkness falls and the last glimmer of hope fades. debris found overnight off the coast of borneo is the wreckage of flight 8501. crews recovered at least one body but hospitals are facing for the grim task of identifying the remains of the 162 people on board. the "jakarta post" detailing the final communication the captain
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asking foermgs climb to 38,000 to escape a storm. two full minutes pass as the controller assesses air in the area. when he approves flight 8501 does not respond. the "uss sampson" arrived in the java sea, what had been its original mission, searching for rescue and possible survivors now turns to roarry. search teams are now concentrating on finding the bodies of the passengers and crew and airasia ceo was quick to reach out to the heartbroken families. tony fernandez tweeting "my heart is filled with sadness for all the families involved in qz8501. on behalf of airasia my condolences to all. words cannot express how sorry i am." let's head to the indonesian city of surabaya where the flight originated and distraught family members have been huddling. cnn's senior producer david
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malko is there with more. hi david. >> reporter: it's just past 8:00 in the evening, 9:00 sorry here in surabaya, indonesia, a few hundred miles away from where most of the activity is taking place now offshore off the island of borneo in the java sea. we're seeing an all-out search effort. things are ramped up. the president of indonesia, joe co joko juidodo, all assets ships and planes and rescue teams on land make their way to the search area. what we know is it's off the island of borneo. the waters are relatively shallow in the 100-foot range and that may help search teams in recovering. the mission is to find and recover any mum remains out there, a rather grim task at this moment and of course parts of the airplane.
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interesting from president jokoie and tony fernandez. no one is using the word bodies or recovery still saying rescue. if you talk to family members on the ground it's clear that hope has faded. carol? >> where are they waiting, david? >> reporter: just behind me is the crisis center at surabaya airport, where family members are receiving briefings and where they first found out officially about the news that the plane had gone down. some are staying in a hotel. you got about 80 people from the city of surabaya so some of those had gone home now. it's been a long three days one family said. i talked to one grandfather and father of people on board the plane, his name is rudy teodoros a grandfather, two grandchildren, son, daughter-in-law all on the aircraft going for holiday in singapore and he said when they were he was in that room with his wife and they saw the images
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on local television on tv come up showing the bodies they were devastated. they broke down. interesting, though, that amidst that grief and the sense of loss a sense also of strength. rudy told me "i have to be strong. i'm the leader of this family. i need to be strong for my wife." it's quite difficult when you also hear things like them say "we're just waiting and waiting for news and the best we can hope for at this point is that the remains come back to us and question give our relatives proper burial." carol? >> david malko reporting live, thank you. >> the search embraces a dual mission, both equally important, respectfully recovering the bodies of the 162 passengers and crew and retrieving the wreckage. to help explain what doomed the flight. cnn's paula hancocks boarded a boat with some local civilians who desperately wanted to help in the search efforts. >> reporter: it was a little
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choppy but the visibility was quite significant. there was only a little bit of rain really nothing to talk about, so visibility would have been good as well from the air clearly as you can see the aircraft did spot parts of the debris. so it was, the weather did hold and that was conducive to the search and rescue operation certainly. as soon as we did hear the reports that in fact the location had been identified the fishing boat we were on turned around and came back to harbor. it was just a local fishing boat who had offered to help just showing the community here wanting to be part of this and wanting to do everything that they could, and as you can imagine, the mood coming back to the harbor was very somber. these fishermen were not only trying to help with the search and rescue operation, but they are fellow indonesians, and certainly most of these passengers and crew on board this flight were indonesian as well. one man who was part of the fisheries ministry on board to try and look for some of the
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debris said that he was extremely sad. he was relieved that it had been found but very sad that there was no sign of survivors. >> paula hancocks reports thanks so much. >> the area of the sea where this debris has been found is only 80 to 100 feet deep in some places a shallow area but that along with the weather conditions as you heard paula mention may not help in the recovery effort. chad myers is here to tell us what the weather conditions are now. hi chad. >> hi carol. when you get out in the deep ocean it's called a roller the ocean kind of does this. when you get into shallow water the ocean does this more of a chop. it's a steeper wave and that's what they saw yesterday, they call it the two to three meters which is almost ten feet in some spots. i'll back you up 24 hours here the skies are fairly good. i know it looks like there's a lot of cloud cover but these are high clouds not getting in any way of the surface or of the search at all. then all of a sudden last night about 6:00 a.m. their time
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about the same time 48 hours before that that the plane had its trouble, more storms popped up right here. now the last known position is right there at that dot where the plane is but where they found the debris is back in here in this yellow box. we know that to be the case because the debris field has moved a little bit at least because of current and because of wind. this is the current. there is the debris field. there's where it was last spotted on radar and the current would have moved that debris to that angle right there. something else that's happened the wind has also moved that debris. it has been blowing in from the west at about 25 to 30 miles per hour so that's why it's not over -- i know people were talking earlier why it was behind where it was. it's behind because that's how the debris has been moved by weather and by the current. now i'll take you to the area a little bit closer on our google earth and we'll zoom in to that area about 125 miles off the shore here at about 100 to 140 feet deep. if you get in here a little bit
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closer at that 80-foot margin a little bit closer out in here looking at about 140. notice how all of this is the same color. that means it is very shallow but it also means it could be very turbid which means all this rain they received over parts of malaysia and indonesia, that's all washing mud into this area. it's not a clean ocean like you might expect in the gulf of mexico or the gulf stream out in the atlantic. so 140 feet deep 100 feet deep and that's good news. they'll be able to find the black bounces but in that turbid muddy water you see because of the runoff it may be a little bit more difficult visibility in the water, probably about five to ten feet not if you're a diver you want to see 100 feet that's just not going to happen there. >> all right, chad myers, thanks so much. so as you heard the recovery effort is perilous. we know some bodies have been recovered by helicopter others by boat. it's time-consuming and emotionally training. with me peter gols and aviation
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analyst and former inspector general at the department of transportation mary schiavo. welcome to both of you. >> good morning. >> thank you. >> good morning and thank you for being here. of course peter, the first priority is to recover these victims. how difficult will that be? >> well it's going to be challenging and it's going to be heartwrenching. some of the victims of course will be found on the surface of the water, others however, are going to be trapped in the wreckage at the bottom at 100 to 140 feet. that's really kind of at the outer reaches of free divers. you're going to have to have a pretty massive diving operation that would include, you know recovery chambers it's going to take some time and first you're going to have to find the actual debris field, which is going to take a week or ten days. so we're still in this in the very intensive search period. >> so mary of course the black boxes are also a priority. one of the searchers said he
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could see the shadow of a plane through the water. so might it be easier to locate those black boxes? >> yes, particularly if it's true that somebody has seen the shadow of the plane. they'll be able to go to the plane and they'll probably go to the area the plane where the black boxes are in the tail and they could get those out and remove those before they do anything more to the wreckage to the rest of the plane. of course they will look for the bodies and try to remove the bodies but it's going to take a lot more to get the plane up than just to get the black boxes out and send those off for analysis. i would assume that's what they have done and they've done that in other crashes. >> also you can see the emergency door and life jackets floating on the surface of the water, none of the bodies that have been recovered were wearing life jackets so peter, does this tell you anything about how the plane came down? >> it indicates that whatever happened it happened quickly,
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and that the passengers were not wearing life jackets apparently the bodies floating so far reveal that but you know the mystery is going to be there, we've only got a short period of time before we start to be able to analyze the wreckage and to get to the black boxes, as mary said, we won't know but we're going to know and that's the reality. we'll know what caused this accident and we'll be able to take steps so that it doesn't happen again. >> and mary i want to talk a little bit about this two-minute window. the pilot asked air traffic controllers to ascend a full two minutes went by and air traffic control again contacted the plane but by that time, the plane was gone. is a two-minute window a long period of time? is that unusual? >> well, not if the air traffic controller was dealing with a lot of traffic, trying to clear open some space to get the one plane out of trouble, you
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couldn't send them into the path of another, not only would it risk a midair their collision avoidance equipment would have gone off and planes would have taken action to deviate and the air traffic controller would have had to sort that out as well. it could have been obviated had the pilot declared an emergency and the air traffic controller would have had to direct his or her attention to that flight immediately, and given that pilot whatever that pilot needed. i think whatever happened happened very quickly, and there just wasn't time after that. i suspect the pilots were also fighting to save the plane at that point. >> let's talk a little bit about the pilot, peter, he was very experienced, a former f-16 fighter pilot. he had more than 20,000 hours of flight time got more than 6,000 hours of flight time for airasia. he was 53 years old, married with two children but the skies were crowded that day as we know. we know air travel is growing at a rapid pace in asia there are
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not enough experienced air traffic controllers to go around. will that be part of the investigation? >> certainly human factors are always an integral part of any investigation but as you mentioned, this is precisely the kind of individual you want in the front of the plane, sitting in the left seat an experienced pilot who has been trained by the military who has got more than the requisite number of hours in the type of aircraft. you couldn't look for a more qualified individual. but human factors, how the two crew members faced the challenges how they responded to it that will be all part of the investigation, taken will in pact be revealed by the voice recorder once that's recovered. >> the other twist in this mary and i was just curious, the plane took off two hours early. it was scheduled to take i think it was scheduled to take off at 7:30 in the morning but it took off at 5:30 in the morning.
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lot of people on board that plane were going to singapore to celebrate the new year's. is that unusual? >> oh yes. to have a flight leave early other than if it was a charter flight but to have a flight leave early is something that just doesn't happen. for example in the united states so many people would miss the plane, et cetera but you know it's a different part of the world and it seems very unusual. the question i would have, if i was doing the investigation is why did it take off early? were they trying to beat the weather? and you know sometimes you just can't beat a thunderstorm. they can move quickly but i think that would be one of the questions that the investigators will have for the airline as to why. >> mary schiavo, peter gols, thanks so much. i'll be right back.
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the third ranking republican in the house of representatives is denying ties to white supremacists a group but he admits he did talk to the group in 2002. majority chip steve sclise admits he addressed a group formed by former ku klux klan group david duke. he detests any hate group he
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says and a spokesperson says scalise did not know the group held racist views and he was trying to drum up support for his policies. the other shoe dropped for michael grimm. the new york stock exchange congress the new york congressman threatened a reporter who asked about an investigation into his campaign finances. >> let me be clear to you -- [ bleep ]. >> many have been calling for the congressman to step down and after praying, congressman grimm finally decided it was time.
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athena jones has more. good morning. >> good morning, carol. representative grimm said he's going to resign on monday, january 5th. this is a change of heart after he entered that guilty plea for felony tax evasion rastlast week he rejected calls to resign saying he would serve if he could. after speaking with john boehner representative grimm will be bowing out. the republicans are preparing to take control of the new congress and they would like to do that with a clean slate and so having grimm bow out now will certainly be seen as a good thing. carol? >> all right, athena jones reporting live from washington this morning, thank you. president obama called a couple on their wedding day to apologize. the newly weds were supposed to get marryied at a golf course in hawaii. the last-minute change. >> the location was beautiful,
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overlooked the golf course. before the ceremony began everyone was looking on the golf course to see if we could find the president there somewhere golfing. >> the president says he did not know there was a wedding scheduled at the golf course and would have changed his plans, had he known. still to come in "the newsroom," who were the people aboard flight 8501? we'll hear from those who loved them. >> technology gives you security. technology gives you control
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airasia confirming the debris spotted in the java sea is from missing flight 8501. we're learning about some of the 162 passengers on board the flight. most are indonesians but there are citizens from other countries. british national choi chi man was traveling with his 2-year-old daughter. rosa flores joins me now more. >> carol this is such a devastating blow for the families and a think a lot of us
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can identify with waiting for a family member at the airport. lot of us take for granted for fact we meet our family member at the airport and we walk away with our family member and we go home. that's not the case for these families. hear this some of them saw bodies floating in the ocean on television and so this is the difficult blow that these families are receiving at the airport as they hear more about this ill-fated flight. now cnn talked to a family member. for some pain you just don't need translation. take a listen. >> translator: but my brother never flew with airasia, so i kept calm then someone told me that they saw his name on tv, then i saw it. >> i also talked to the principal of three of the students on board. this principal knew five people on board because she also knew the parents of these students. she describes one of her
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students. take a listen. >> she's a very cheerful girl and always have fun and jokes with her friends. we are really so shocked with horror of this news in the airplane incident and we are waiting for good news. >> we are also learning more about the crew learning more about the pilot. we looked closely at the pielot's facebook page. we learn a lot about this man, three things very important in his life planes, motorcycles and family and talking about family we have a tweet from his daughter. "dad please come home. i still need you. please return dad. dad, come home, dad, you have to come home." another one of those tweets she refers to her father as a hero.
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now one last thing, because a lot of people are counting their blessings this morning, carol, because some of those people didn't make the flight. some of those were no-shows. we also saw some posts on facebook regarding this some people saying "the lord is good to me." so it's very difficult to read these posts then to learn about these people who have families just like all of us and to know that their family members are receiving this news. >> those people that didn't make the flight the flight was supposed to take off at 7:30 and they moved it up two hours to 5:30. some people didn't get the e-mail from airasia. >> they were upset because they didn't get the e-mail and now they're counting their blessings because of it. >> it's funny how life is right? sad. >> we never know carol. >> rosa flores thanks so much. >> still to come in "the newsroom" the international recovery efforts begin. >> we have a destroyer, the "uss sampson. she's actually on station now as of this morning and she will be prepared to assist in any of the surface recovery efforts that are going on right now, the debris field, that kind of
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. grim mission unfolds off the
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coast of borneo. crews have located the wreckage of asia air flight 8501. it's about six miles from its flight path where the plane vanished sunday morning. hospitals now bracing for the grim task of identifying the remains of the 162 people on board. no sign of survivors. airasia's ceo was quick to reach out to the heartbroken families. tony fernandez tweeting "my heart is filled with sadness for all the families involved in qz8501. on behalf of airasia my condolences to all. words cannot express how sorry i am." earlier this morning, we learned the navy destroyer the "uss sampson" has arrived in the java sea, but what had been its original mission searching for wreckage and possible survivors now turns to recovery. as i said that u.s. destroyer has arrived in the ja is asea helping to search in recovery efforts. crews aboard the "uss sampson are working closely with indonesian authorities to provide any assistance needed. cnn's rene marsh is following
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that part of the story for us. good morning rene. >> good morning, carol. not only is "uss sampson already in the area. we just got word this morning that a second u.s. ship has been dispatched to the area. we're talking about "uss ft. worth." i want to tell you a little bit about the capability of "uss ft. worth." we know it's a combat ship. it does have a helicopter on board, which would be handy, as they continue to recover wreckage on the ocean's surface. you're looking at images of "uss ft. worth" and now images of "uss sampson." back to "sampson" which is already in the zone. we know it usually carries two helicopters, also would be helpful in recovering debris. also we know that once this search goes underwater the u.s. could be asked to provide even more assets. take a listen to what the pent began had to say a couple hours
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ago. >> as we made clear we're ready to help in any way we can. we've assisted in these searches before unfortunately so we have some experience at this. as you may recall with malaysia flight 370 we provided towed pinger locators underwater passive sonar devices used to help detect the pinging of the black boxes. those could be brought in. again, we've got no request for that right now but we're preparing ourselves for the eventuality they could be used and we have side scan sonar, which we also used with malaysia flight 370 to try to help find debris on the bottom surface of the ocean. >> so listening there to the pentagon it is clear that the u.s. role in the search and recovery effort could very well expand talking about sonar equipment, essentially what that would do is you want to bring that in. the heavier parts of the aircraft is sitting on the ocean floor. the sonar equipment would help
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search crews find the heavier pieces of the aircraft and eventually bring that up. also we talked about the black boxes, i could tell you, carol, right now focused on lifting that debris from the ocean surface but quickly the focus will turn to the black boxes because that holds a lot of critical answers that tow pinger he mentioned that is here in the united states would be very helpful in picking up those pings. remember 30 days roughly before that pinging sound stops. >> is there a chance those black boxes will be brought to the united states for analysis? >> we're been in contact with the ntsb this morning. at this point they're still in what they call a monitoring phase. they are watching everything that is unfolding. we do know that two french investigators from the french equivalent of the ntsb already on the ground there in the region. because this aircraft is a french product, french manufactured aircraft it would
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make a lot of sense if the french investigators recovered the black boxes. we don't know exactly where they will go but it looks like the ntsb would have a less prominent role here the french investigators would have a more prominent role. we know the engines, carol, in part with a french manufacturer designed by ge an american company, so that could leave an open door to the ntsb getting involved in some way, shape or form. >> all right, i'm sure you'll keep us posted. rene marsh reporting live from washington. why did airasia flight 8501 crash? it is the number one question investigators hope to answer as they begin to recover the pieces of the airplane. now, underwater off the coast of indonesia. what's possible and what's not? tom foreman has that. hi tom. >> reporter: basically when you look at the lay of the land here where this tinge has been found there are indications this could really step up in speed right now in terms of finding clues to what happened. one of the reasons is when you
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talk about any kind of aircraft helicopters reaching the location not only do we have ships on scene able to do it but the actual distance from the shore to this location is only about 99 miles from the nearest major hub up in here. that's really in strikable range. also beyond that and important to note is the water depth. air france when it went down they found debris after five six days but they didn't find the body the parts of the airplane for almost two years, but that was much much much deeper water. here the average depth is only 131 feet. where this wreckage has been found so far, it's a little bit closer to 100 feet deep so you're actually talking about a range here where for all the advantages you might get from side scan sonar or from dragging seekers from the water to listen for the ping you're in the range of basic divers being able to look at the wreckage and there's some sense they've seen something down there already, on top of which, when it's this
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shallow if this thing hits the water as expected here and went down it doesn't have a long way to drift, if you're talking about very heavy pieces. yes, there are surface winds in this area because we're talking about right down in here surface winds that are generally pushing off toward the east here and yes, if you look at the ocean currents up in that area you have sort of the same effect. they're generally pushing off this direction but if you're talking about 100 feet of water, carol, you could find an awful lot of the evidence that you need to start reconstructing this in a fairly small area and fairly quickly, so all of that is in favor of getting at least answers for the airline, for the families for all the people who want to know what happens. i think we're going to see developments very rapidly on this because of all those favorable conditions. carol? >> i hope you're right. tom foreman reporting live thanks so much. still to come in "the newsroom," now that debris has been found, searchers could soon turn their focus underwater once
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the united states says it stands ready to help in any way possible to recover wreckage from airasia flight 8501.
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that could include the use of submersibles. the bluefin was seen in the search for still missing malaysia airlines flight but isn't the only underwater vehicle capable of tracking a downed plane deep underwater. cnn's gary tuchman has more for you. >> reporter: the names are intriguing what they have potential to accomplish is amazing. the remus 6,000, the orion, the dordo, all autonomous underwater vehicles and remotely operated vehicles. auvs and rovs. >> black boxes are not difficult at all to pick up in a basket and recover it. >> reporter: this is based in florida, connected to a ship by an umbilical cord and the auvs which are not contacted. this is the orion owned by the u.s. navy run by a company called phoenix international. vehicles like this send sound signals to the sea floor which
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paint the picture of what's on the bottom. then there is the remus 6,000, also an auv. the team from woods hole massachusetts, already met dramatic success locating the wreckage of air france flight 447, two years after it crashed in the south atlantic ocean. the discovery only possible because of this auv. this is the initial shot of the air france debris. >> they can go up and down mountains that are up to 40 degrees in slope. they are very stable so you get really good data almost all the time. >> reporter: another auv that could be used the dorado based at the monterey bay aquarium research institute of california where cnn's stephanie elam visited. >> so this is a titanium pressure sphere so this is food to 6,000 meters deep and inside we have this sonar electronics. >> reporter: the other option is manned submarines or submersibles. this vehicle that resembles a
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spaceship called the johnson ceiling based in florida. this sub located wreckage in the atlantic ocean after the tragic explosion of the space shuttle "challenger" in 1986. the sub is 20 feet long and 11 feet tall and weighs about 28,000 pounds. it has enough oxygen and emergency provisions aboard for the people to survive underwater for up to five days. this sub is retired, though. but other subs that can go even deeper can be brought into action along with auvs and rovs, ready to assist if asked. gary tuchman, cnn, los angeles. >> so let's talk more about the search for airasia flight 8501. joined by richard quest and tim taylor taylor, submersible specialist and president of tiburon systems, specializing in underwater imageries. tim, what kind of equipment will
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be used to recover the wreckage of 8501? >> a lot of the similar equipment but in this particular situation, we have the added ability to put divers in the water, so you'll have your sonar tools whether they're towed sonar or awe on it news vehicles which are becoming more and more the tool for sonar, rovs, not as robust as the segment we saw because those are from deep stuff. when you're shallow you don't need as much power you have the ability to put smaller vehicles which are much more transportable. we don't need to ship them across the world in big ships. they can be flown over in a plane and launched off a fishing boat. >> do you think it will be easy? >> the pingers are still going, they found it in time the pingers narrow down the search. more debris so they can narrow down the pinger search and the pinger and narrow down the pinger search and you can pretty much find wreckage. it's note going to happen overnight. the sonar searches take days maybe weeks once they narrow
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down the pinger but it's quite routine. >> richard, how much of the plane would you expect them to bring up? >> it's a very good question. depends how much is bringing up above and any large pieces will be brought up because they will want to reconstruct the aircraft as much as possible. if you look at twa 800, they braugt up an enormous amount of the aircraft because they rebuilt it. that is in the warehouse of the ntsb and the authorities. they won't be able to get it all. it all depends also carol, where the plane and how the plane broke up. did it break up in the air, in which case there will be probably not high in the area because we have a much bigger debris field or did it break up on impact? on impact the debris field will be fairly compact, they'll be able to recover more if not most. >> from the evidence that we see now, there's an emergency door and some life jackets.
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we see the bodies of some of the passengers some of them are not fully clothed. is that evidence that it didn't break up in the air? >> yes. or at least -- did it completely destruct in the air? no. that's evidence it didn't destruct like an explosion, literally like mh17 literally come apart. it's highly likely that parts may have come off the aircraft as it came down particularly if it was in a deep stall and there were some extreme stresses on the airframe. then parts of the aircraft may have come apart. it's possible. or it may, like 447, we know from 447 that that did go into the water, that's impacted the water intact because the modern day aircraft is built to withstand some tremendous aerodynamic forces and that's -- so it depends on how this actually came down.
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>> wow. so some of the recovery of the bodies took place from the air. i thought that was unusual, is that normal? >> as far as recovery? >> yes, the recovery. >> helicopters are great tools and recovery of the bodies really is the number one thing. we're talking about debris field but let's not forget we're still in bodies that are the most important thing. even underwater doing the searches recovering black boxes are pretty much secondary to recovering bodies. >> and it will be difficult the recovery of the bodies because some of the bodies will be underneath the plane, right? >> or missing. maybe not all bodies will be recovered. >> and it will be a combination of of it's awful to talk about this. >> i know. >> it really is. >> i know. >> but experience tells us what the conditions will be where they will be found. some will be in their seats, some will still be strapped into their seats because it was only an hour into the flight so we will -- and in this case again,
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the injuries that they will have suffered will tell us something about what happened as well. i have to put it in simple terms, carol. this is i don't think frankly this is going to be a very difficult either search recovery or investigation. i think you're going to find -- it's not going to happen by the top of the hour but it's going to happen in a methodical way and a textbook way. >> how will they get the large pieces of the plane out of the water? >> i would think that if the navies are coming in with big ships they're equipped to do that cranes anything of that nature lift bags divers and robots can put lifting bags which fill with air and can lift big air parts up and hook onto them on the surface. it's not that deep. question do mixed gas diving at 120 feet for a couple hours a day easily so you can put some manpower in there, and when you get men down there hooking
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things up it goes a lot faster. again, forensically you need to map the whole sight like you would on land and find where everything is because wherever it is it tells you something as well. so mapping is important and then recovery. >> and that said the whole entire plane probably won't be recovered, right? >> they'll recover as much as they can, absolutely. but every last screw, every last bit, no no. but i mean anything of any size will be recovered because the object here is to put it together, work out what happened. and not just so they can learn this bit failed that bit didn't fail. that had, was able to withstand the structures. they learn from every little part of the wreckage to improve the product in the future. >> richard quest, tim taylor, many thanks. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. narrator: this is the storm sea captain:
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. no one can fathom the agony that families of airasia flight 8501 are going through except perhaps the families of flight 370. after almost ten months of waiting they, too, are grappling with the notion their loved ones perished at sea but with no confirmation of their fate. >> reporter: anguish becomes anger. . for the families of malaysia airlines flight mh-370 days of waiting turned to weeks and now almost ten months. for them, the news from indonesia brought everything back. >> the fear about losing someone. the pain and maybe the desperation. >> reporter: steve wang feels for the families of airasia flight 8501. he knows what it's like to sit at the airport and wait for a plane that never comes, to hope
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against all odds the person you love may still be alive. even after ten months you're still hoping for a miracle. >> yes. though it is painful but i don't want to give up. >> reporter: wang's mother was only 57. he hasn't spoken her name since march when mh-370 disappeared. >> no, i never said. >> you never said your mother's name outloud? >> yes. >> reporter: he still listens to the voice mail she left him just before boarding the plane. >> she wanted me to pick her up from the airport and to bring her coat. it's hard to believe that a man my age will cry suddenly. >> reporter: you just turned 26 and your mom wasn't there for your birthday the first time. >> yeah. >> reporter: of the 239 people on mh-370 154 were chinese.
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hundreds of relatives spent weeks at beijing's lido hotel. in the ballroom walls became giant message boards full of prayers for their parents, for their children to come home. today it's all gone. >> nobody talks about it. what will they do? will they keep on searching for plane or just give up? i don't know. >> reporter: wang prays for the families of flight 8501. >> i just want them to be strong because you are not alone. >> reporter: he also prays everyday for his mother one of 239 souls on mh-370 still missing. will ripley, cnn, beijing.
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in a tragedy like this the search for answers starts with the plane's flight data and cockpit voice recorders, the so-called become box. after two major crashes over wattser this year should the industry implement other options for tracking jet in cnn's alison
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kosik has more for you. >> reporter: rite now an an airplane disappears the story of what went wrong vanishes with the black box. but what if we had the answers all along? >> we would know where the aircraft has gone where it is and we would have information on what happened in the meantime. >> reporter: canadian company flights makes live streaming data recorders that send information in realtime. it's part of a satellite-based system that monitors a plane's exact location engine conditions and more. >> system transmits, say, every five to ten minutes on a normal flight. >> reporter: if something goes wrong, like the plane deviating from its route, the system will start streaming live second-by-second data. >> that kind of information is not only life saving but it adds a tremendous measure of security for our country. >> reporter: there are several mechanisms that transmit a plane's data but hayden says unlike those systems, the technology behind flight is more extensive, sharing a tremendous
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amount of information. so much information critics say it could be difficult to monitor and analyze if widely adopted. right now, flight's technology is only fitted to a few hundred planes. it can be installed for about $100,000. normal data transmission costs between a few dollars to $15 per flight hour and goes up for continuous streaming in a rare emergency, a cost carriers might not be willing to pay. >> they're very cost sensitive and they simply will not add additional safety measures unless mandated by the federal government. >> reporter: but with more questions about another missing commercial jet, the high-tech black box may get a second look. >> the technology exists it's economical and the question now is how to get more widespread use of it. >> reporter: alison kosik, cnn. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" starts now.
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good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me today. darkness falls amid the last glimmer of hope. airasia confirms the debris found overnight off the coast of borneo is indeed, the wreckage of flight 8501. crews have recovered at least one body but hospitals are bracing for the grim task of identifying the remains of the 162 people on board. the the jakarta post detailing the final communication. the captain asking permission to climb to 38,000 feet to escape a storm. two full minutes pass as the controller assesses air traffic in the area. when the controller approves the assent assent flight 8501 does not respond. just a couple of hours ago, the navy destroyer the uss "sam son" has arrived in the java sea but what had been its original mission, searching for wreckage and possible

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